I use a big monitor. So Iām creating a note, and I move it to one half of the screen. I close the main Devonthink window because I want my webbrowser for example on that half.
Now I want a new note. Iām coming from Evernote and Mac Notes and (every other note system) where theres a button called New Note, and it gives you a a New Note.
okā¦ theres no button (or option for one that I see) on the menu of the note Iām working onā¦
I right click DT in the dock. No ānew noteā there. Only āTake noteā which opens the little helper app in the menu barā¦
but I want a new full sized note like I already have.
I go to the menu bar, under āDataāā¦ > Newā¦ > Rich Textā¦
But the new note does not appear!
Do it again.
Nowhere.
Ok I need to get back to that main window I guess?
Click DT in dock.
Nothing.
Right click it. Databases?
Click those.
Alert sound. Nothing happens
Do all the above five more times
NEW NOTE. nothing
NEW NOTE againā¦ nothing
Nothing.
Alright. Go to the Menu, File, (scroll down below ānew databaseā. Are people making new databases often?) find New āWindowā.
Ahh the homescreen! And the 5 untitled new notes I made! Great
Soā¦ is there a faster way to display a new note? Or is the process:
Go menu File > New Window. Then menu data > new> New rtf, Then to the main window to TITLE IT, then open it?
-- Create and open new RTF
tell application id "DNtp"
try
set newNote to create record with {name:"New RTF", type:rtf, rich text:""} in current group
set newWindow to open window for record newNote
set bounds of newWindow to {1280, 23, 2560, 1414}
activate
on error error_message number error_number
if the error_number is not -128 then display alert "DEVONthink" message error_message as warning
end try
end tell
First I tend to hide rather than close DEVONthink 3 windows. I am not sure exactly what your workflow is, but try variations on the following. I donāt know how much you can adjust the note that you get from the sorter. I never need to.
Go to Preferences > Sorter. There are options for hot keys to take Notes and clippings. I use cntrl + q I think that was the default, I canāt remember. That just brings up a window from the menu bar, you can write straight in and cmnd + s will save it to the last place you chose, I am not sure if you can do a default. To work DEVONthink 3 has to be running. I use Markdown for the title usually. That is a # and then I make a new paragraph with return for the body of the note.
If you enter text in the note and donāt save it, it will reappear as you left it when you hit the shortcut again.
Thank you for that - I had missed that setting, and it wasnāt obvious to me that ās would close the sorter, saving whatever (I always clicked on Add to save a web clipping, and couldnāt find a way to do it w/o the mouseā¦ youāve saved me another few seconds a day )
There is so much on this app. I donāt use more than a quarter of its full capacity, if that. It is my main app too. It can be a bit tricky at first the notes. I use escape to ākeepā a note intact and the standard mac āsaveā command to push it into the database. The way I work that is useful, I keep running notes really during the day. I do a lot of experimenting with stuff I use a lot. I think that was how I came to commnd + save. The āAddā button does misdirect one I feel.
I may not understand your needs, sorry. You seem to want a new window for each of your notes? You can make a new text note with commnd option cntrl+ n for plain text and with cntrl + cmmnd + n for rich text then open them with cmmnd = o straight away and the cursor is already set to type.
Thanks for your suggestions. Those commands do make a new note and open it IF the main window is open. If not, Command-o just keeps me at current note.
You donāt create new notes from document windows, i.e., windows opened for a single document. If you try, it will end up in the root of the database.
By the way, regarding the title of your topic: usually youāre not dumb, but the design of the software is such that you have difficulty finding the right way to do what you want the software to do.
Thereās a terrific book called āThe Design of Everyday Thingsā that more or less describes that concept in detail. The best example is the āNorman-doorā called after the writer of the book. These are the doors that confuse you whether to push or pull, and can make you look silly in public when doing the opposite of what is required.
The difficulty for designers of complex products like DT is to find the way itās functions are intuitively understood and used. In essence, you shouldnāt need a manual to operate anything. When you do, the design is not good enough (yet).
To be clear: this applies to the output of most peopleās work when itās somehow servicing someone. Everytime people use your product or service āwrongā then you first have to think about the way it was designed, then how you have explained it and perhaps at the very end whether it was the user that is the problem, Not the other way around.
Thanks for the validation. I spent years testing other apps and researching new ones, so I know DT is extremely powerful and expect a learning curve. But when little things that challenge a new user pop up, in my experience it has been safe to assume the entire product will present similar challenges.
Looking at the example of closing the main window to focus on just a popped-out note, and how to get it back:
In evernote for example, a single left click on the dock will bring it back (sometimes frustrating when I just want to return from a different app to the note I was working on).
In Apple notes, a right-click on the dock icon gives a menu to get back to the main window. That seems ideal.
In DT theres NO help from the dock icon whatsoever. To get back to the main window I would navigate to Menu File > New Window. Notice itās not called āMain Windowā or āHomeā or anything. Just āNewā window. And itās the 5th item down.
Call it a failure of imagination, but I canāt imagine that being the ideal place to put such an important feature. I donāt know of any other built-for-mac-app that hides itās āhomeā screen to that degree, the home screen that I need in order to make and display a new doc (without a script).
The tutorial says āThe best way to learn DT is just to dive in!ā So far, I strongly disagree. One commenter suggested I read page 29(!) of the manual, to solve the problem of having a fresh note popped-out, but it didnāt contain the solution.
The best solution is an applescript. Which is fine, and tells me Iām probably just approaching the whole problem wrong. DONT close the main window, got it.
Over the past 8 years with DEVONtech, the common thread I find with confused users is them coming into DEVONthink with preconceived notions and expecting it to be a certain way. Then when it doesnāt, people will sometimes get frustrated and confused.
If one expected DEVONthink to act just like other applications (and no, there is no āuniversal - make a noteā, etc. behavior in all apps), why wouldnāt the person just continue using the other apps? (No offense intended. A legit imate inquiry.)
There are familiar things, like visual cognates between DEVONthink and the Finder or Apple Mail, but itās best to approach it with a fresh mindset.
That was what I found was the best way. I just wasnāt getting it until I sort of half realized that. I would not have articulated it like you did, but that describes my learning curve well. As for notes I find the way DEVONthink 3 works is ideal for me. I donāt really need notes floating all over the desktop.
Admittedly, that is precisely how I work. I also admit I had never seen DT as a note-taking tool - but as a tool for collating everything, regardless of where it has come from.
So, we work differently. I have found DT to be very responsive to user-suggestions. My suggestion to you would be to formulate a clear, concise and specific wish to DT (from what I have read on this thread to date Iām personally not sure what you need for your workflow). DT is the most useful piece of software I own - I hope it turns out to be right for you.
Would be nice. I dont know if you meant āshouldā be, like in the future, or āalready isā. It doesnāt currently work that way for me at least.
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On a more serious note, thanks for your post - food for thought there.
