# DEVONthink Mail plugin under macOS Sonoma
**URL:** https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978
**Category:** DEVONthink
**Created:** [June 10, 2023, 11:36am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978 "2023-06-10T11:36:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@rmschne](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/rmschne)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 7:19am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/21 "2023-06-14T07:19:41Z")
[https://jmap.io](https://jmap.io)
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> **[A brief history of Fastmail](https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058753214-A-brief-history-of-Fastmail)**
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> Fastmail has been offering the human alternative for email for over 20 years.
> We are dedicated to the idea that everyone deserves a positive experience with their email. Email is the key to your on...
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### Author:  [@chrillek](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/chrillek)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 7:23am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/22 "2023-06-14T07:23:00Z")
Thanks for enlightening me! Are there any servers/clients besides Fastmail using that?
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### Author:  [@TheFarSide](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/TheFarSide)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 7:25am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/23 "2023-06-14T07:25:50Z")
Hi chrillek, no I wasn’t trying to be ironic. Not today at least. 😀
My understanding is that IMAP, whilst well established, has its own issues hence why Fastmail created JMAP. I can’t speak to its uptake but I believe it’s gaining traction.
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### Author:  [@rmschne](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/rmschne)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 7:26am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/24 "2023-06-14T07:26:11Z")
I don’t know anything about it, frankly. My contribution is simply to find something about it with my Google skills.
As a long-time and more than satisfied Fastmail customer, my hunch is that they know well what they are doing, are engaging the “mail” service provider community, and that JMAP will (or already does) “just work”.
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### Author:  [@TheFarSide](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/TheFarSide)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 7:27am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/25 "2023-06-14T07:27:27Z")
I’ve also been using Fastmail for 20+ years and have watched them grow from a little business in Melbourne, Australia to a global heavy-hitter.
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### Author:  [@chrillek](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/chrillek)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 8:19am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/26 "2023-06-14T08:19:10Z")
I was irritated by your statement that IMAP „is a bit of a standard“ while it’s in fact _the standard_ now. JMAP has only just been adopted by IETF and there seems to be exactly _one_ company using it. Which doesn’t make it a contender, at least now: Gmail and the other big players all offer IMAP, afaik.
Which doesn’t mean that it’s perfect. Far from it.
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### Author:  [@sanjuro](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/sanjuro)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/27 "2023-06-14T15:29:57Z")
Renamed to Extensions?
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### Author:  [@chrillek](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/chrillek)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/28 "2023-06-14T15:40:39Z")
No. And also discussed everywhere on the net. Extensions existed before, as plugins, but Apple removed support for plugins.
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### Author:  [@tudoreynon](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/tudoreynon)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/29 "2023-06-14T16:07:39Z")
Every cloud has a silver lining. I had no idea one could drag and drop emails into DEVONthink 3. I have always struggled with the plugins. From now on the drag and drop will meet all my needs just as well. Better really. I don’t actually save many emails in DEVONthink 3.
Shows it is a good idea to keep an eye on this forum. I understand a lot of folk need to import large numbers of emails and their situation is different.
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### Author:  [@SlickSlack](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/SlickSlack)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/30 "2023-06-14T19:25:33Z")
Some context:
[https://mjtsai.com/blog/2023/06/14/rip-apple-mail-plug-ins/](https://mjtsai.com/blog/2023/06/14/rip-apple-mail-plug-ins/)
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### Author:  [@3865](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/3865)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 8:14pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/31 "2023-06-14T20:14:00Z")
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### Author:  [@3865](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/3865)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/32 "2023-06-14T20:30:10Z")
Michael’s site is a good one to keep track of all things Mac. While a notional competitor to DTP, EagleFiler serves (in my experience) a small niche in DTP’s universes.
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### Author:  [@DCBerk](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/DCBerk)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 8:29am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/33 "2023-06-17T08:29:16Z")
I’ve been using drag and drop to Sorter for email for a long time and it works fine. You can select and drag multiples.
EMail subject becomes the filename.
Anybody know a script I can use to add the EMail date to the filename?
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### Author:  [@chrillek](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/chrillek)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 8:44am UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/34 "2023-06-17T08:44:57Z")
When you drag/drop, what are the document date and created date of the document set to in DT? If one of them match the “e-mail date”, you could set up a smart rule.
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### Author:  [@BLUEFROG](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/BLUEFROG)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 3:25pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/35 "2023-06-17T15:25:29Z")
> [@DCBerk](#):
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> Anybody know a script I can use to add the EMail date to the filename?
Given how long a subject / name can be, why would you want to add to it in this manner?
And yes, @chrillek is correct that a smart rule could be used for this. However, my question still stands. 🙂
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### Author:  [@DCBerk](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/DCBerk)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/36 "2023-06-17T16:15:12Z")
Hi Bluefrog:
Because there may be several (many) emails with the same Subject, the same To, and the same From, and only the date is different. So when filing them I often use YYMMDD (perhaps Time) as the first word; It isn’t very long, and if the rest of the filename goes on and on and on (rarely), it’s easy enough to truncate. But adding the date is a bit of a chore.
However, my skill at Smart Rules is limited. A pointer? And will one work with drag and drop?
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### Author:  [@DCBerk](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/DCBerk)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/37 "2023-06-17T16:21:38Z")
Also, re Mail and Sonoma and DT and alternatives. I understand Mozilla Thunderbird is undergoing a (much needed) upgrade. They’ve always had lots of plug ins and extensions. Does it play nicely with DT?
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### Author:  [@BLUEFROG](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/BLUEFROG)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/38 "2023-06-17T16:43:58Z")
Thunderbird does not have good support for inter-application communication, so no it does not play well with others.
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### Author:  [@BLUEFROG](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/BLUEFROG)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/39 "2023-06-17T16:45:49Z")
> [@DCBerk](#):
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> However, my skill at Smart Rules is limited. A pointer? And will one work with drag and drop?
What have you tried?
And yes, you can drag and drop items to a smart rule to apply the actions on an ad-hoc basis.
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### Author:  [@DCBerk](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/u/DCBerk)
#### Post date: [June 17, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://discourse.devontechnologies.com/t/devonthink-mail-plugin-under-macos-sonoma/75978/40 "2023-06-17T17:24:36Z")
Experience with Smart Rules is limited to sorting, as in All PDFs, All Images, etc., because DT works so well for me, I don’t need to fuss with it much. I’ve read the Smart Rules section in the Manual, and could probably come up with how to add the date before the filename of an email, but eyes glaze over, my laziness argues it’s not worth it, top of the To Do List calls, but, of course, the next time I file an email I wish I’d taken the time. Sigh.
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