DEVONthink + Obsidian

that all can be changed sound wonderful to me.

yeah this is why I was asking here so many questions about other tools even though I have DT3 since 10 years - but the reading did not do all answering.

A DT Youtube expert channel would be nice !? - what do you think @BLUEFROG ?

I think maybe people more would love DT but they have/had the same problem with understanding reading and getting it in doing. videos help a lot with this as use cases would do the same.

Can you guys name some video help also maybe ? is there some YouTube channels expertise on DT out there ? I could not find that much.

As DEVONthink a tool for documents I suspect video for many is not a market. But videos exist. Check what is on YouTube. And I am aware of but never used DEVONthink Field Guide | MacSparky Field Guides. Probably other resources can be found by more internet sleuthing.

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i had those with linking in mind. warier can do links but I don know if DT understands them when using iawriter as editor.

or a bear2 as writing tool, should in the new version panda also have back linking in the editor.

these 2 are more editors other than obsidian or reflect.

the editor of DT seems so simple but maybe I have a complete wrong view on it what it can do- maybe its the same as iawriter or bear2.

can DT3 or DTTG understand if I use those editors in DT ( storing in DT but using these editors) would that work ? also on iPhone DTTG?

if I have a DT3 Pro version 2 seats now ( 2MBPros) - do I need an extra license to use DT on the iPad. I use it now on the iPhone but want iPad too?
or do I need the Webserver edition then?

[To be honest most (all?)?these questions are answered in the DEVONthink Manual. Try setting default apps when clicking on a document or the “open with…” feature.

Try. Read what I previously recommended. No need to repeat all what has been written here.

Edit: and do not it expect it to be a be-all-do-everything that other writing and word processing tools.

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My favorite on YouTube is Devonthink for Historians. Some of their secrets are contained in their courseware. What they present for free is great food for thought.

For instance, their last video showed a Devonthink table template used for bibliography exported by script directly into Bookends. Magic stuff. The script they used is in one of their courses. Seeing what’s possible makes me want to sharpen up my Applescript skills.

I believe they post about once a month at present. I hope they keep up that pace. I’m tempted to buy one of their course packages. There’s bound to be good examples in it. Even if not, I’d like to encourage them to produce more on YouTube.

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It doesn’t seem very clear as to what you actually want to do. Do you need a file manager, somewhere to store notes and think, somewhere to undertake research, somewhere to write? Your primary purpose will dictate which tool is best for the job. DevonThink and Obsidian don’t do the same job, in my opinion.

I primarily needed a file manager. I had millions (not literally… yet) of pdfs, emails, documents, etc., and I needed somewhere to store them so I could find things easily. It needed to handle different file types, and needed a strong search function. That was pretty much it. Thus, I became a DevonThink user. If that’s what you need, Obsidian isn’t ideal for that.

If you just want somewhere to write and think, maybe Obsidian is better for that, as it’s geared less towards archiving and managing content and more towards writing.

For what it’s worth, I did use Obsidian alongside DT for a few months, but I want my notes inside my “library” with my files, so it didn’t add any value for me (actually I found it an annoying bit of friction in my workflow, since all my files were in DT and I still had to go in it, but then my notes weren’t in the right place). I’ve gradually been closing it down.

But in any case, either you need a tool to do X now, or you do not. Assuming you do, start doing that in DT and see if it suits you. It’s pointless trying to guess all future scenarios at the beginning. Unless you’ve mapped out your workflow and don’t plan on changing anything, you probably don’t know what you will need in a year’s time, and you should just start by fixing the problem you currently have.

I do far more with DT than I’d planned, because as I grew more familiar with the software and solved my initial problem, I had capacity to think about what else I could do. I didn’t even know what Markdown was before I started using DT, and now store many notes in that format. I would imagine most users start the same way with one specific action they need, and grow from there.

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this is what I was looking for - THANK YOU ! that also helps a lot.
I mean the link to the course of macsparky !

Panda editor does work with DTTG with the “open in place” function. Aka you open the file in panda but it’s editing the file in DTTG.

I really wish DTTG had a WYSIWYG interface. Would make so much easier (not having to click edit, being able to hit check marks, adding a button to add the date, and having quick markdown templates that didn’t need me to make a whole shortcut for DTTG would be amazing).

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P.S. read Take Control of Devonthink. It’s not written by the DevonThink team (it’s third party) and assumes you’re a beginner beginner.

Reading guides is a vital. It’s not wasted time and you’ll learn a lot. Even if you end up not using DT, you’ll come away with ideas for how to manage your own work. In fact my main problem is my own failure not to implement all the great suggestions I’ve read :joy:

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Forgot to mention - since DT stores files in their native form, not embedded in XML or anything like that, you can use (almost) any app you want in Devonthink.

An app like Obsidian is not a good fit for importing into DT because Obsidian creates and deletes individual files outside of DT’s control. You can have an Obsidian vault appear in DT by making it an indexed location.

Apps that work with either single files or “packages” seem to be fine in DT.

Rigorous backups are always a good policy with any data you care about. DT is very reliable - and I back it up, too.

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i have devonthinkprooffice since 2013. but not used that intense or more like storage - sorrrrrrry to say that. but now…

i have written above what I want to do specially in DT- psychology and daoism philosophy with texts/verses of the daodejing-laozi. little above you see a pic with a very and my needs :wink:
The manual I also have downloaded already - and work it through now.
The more I learn the depth of DT the more it is the right fit. besides all colleges above said it would fit for my use too. so I try my best no and start DT 100% ALL-IN - juhuuuuuu…

Any tipp which format I should use my notes ? rtf, rtfd, md, html ?

It does not matter

Unless you have special needs with other apps. You would know those needs now if you have them. You may discover needs as you grow with the tools.

Use the DEVONthink “convert” features if you change your mind or are curious.

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love that answer. Thank you. it does not matter is powerful !

to all of you @BLUEFROG @MsLogica @rmschne @Amontillado @jmanko16 @IvanPsy

ANOTHING THING that made my decision to stay 100% DT3 is THAT USERHELP OF ALL OF YOU !!! I LOVE YOU FOLKS-

THANK YOU SO MUCH

A good tool with no support is nothing. But a good tool with support and your members power is all you need!!!

:pray: :man_bowing: :blue_heart:

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I have Obsidian Vaults within iCloud, which works great between Mac and iPad.

Also I index those folders with DevonThink, which also works great.

But sadly, DT does not seem to understand the ‘[[…]]’ syntax for backlinks, which is incredibly sad.

It would be fantastic to be able to use those in DT ! :hugs:

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Any of the formats are useful
They each have pro/cons

Personally I use the formatted note (html) Devonthink editor for notes
Apple Pages for word processing
Apple Numbers for spreadsheets

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Ada and Avigail, aka the Historians, are wonderful people too :heart: :slight_smile:

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Doesn’t this work in DT3 Pro if you sent wiki links to on? (My issue is the don’t work on DTTG).

I did not test this on DT, as I access my data most of the time with DTTG.

When I am back to my Mac, I will check this!

I am in the same boat, I really just use DTTG (aka mobile) and rarely use desktop. I have tried index on my Mac my obsidian but the sync to DTTG something always goes wonky between my obsidian vault. Moved basically to only DTTG, but trying obsidian again with only indexing it on mac without sync. Going ok so far, but hopeful they with a few more DTTG improvements it will be good enough.