Use Chat (AI) on a selected group...?

hello dear community,

I’m struggling with using Chat (AI) on a selected group (either “normal” group or a smart group).

As per documentation, that should be possible:

However, when I select either a smart group or a “regular” group, the Chat (I’ve tried Claude and ChatGPT) tell me that they don’t see any documents.

(trying to use chat on a smart group)

(trying to use chat on a regular group)

Am I doing something wrong…? My impression was that it should be possible to use Chat on a selected group..

thanks!

I just tried what you did and had the same result. I then asked a different question being “list the document titles” which actually gives the desired answer. So I think the concept of groups is not known just the underlying documents.

“Selected item(s)” generally means a selection in the item list – especially as a target of commands. The sidebar is for navigating; the item list is for acting on items.
If you try, you’ll see that no selection in the sidebar can be the target of commands in the menu bar.

I don’t use LLMs and can’t test those specifically, but I assume the chat works the same way – it doesn’t see any selected item(s), because you haven’t selected anything (in the item list).

I can’t tell from your screenshot if the smart group is a global one? Does it need to be? If it’s local, go up a level and try selecting it in the item list.

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thanks. here I’m referring to the official Help page:

Am I interpreting it wrong…? I have clearly selected a group, but the Chat can’t run commands on it.

In the sidebar. As I said, this doesn’t count as a “selected item/record”.
A selected item — as a target of a command (and, I assume, chat) — is something selected in the item list.

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You’re a real hero — thank you! :raising_hands:
Selecting the group in the Item List view works perfectly.

P.S. I re-read the documentation/help several times today, and in hindsight it would have saved me hours if there were a single explicit mention that this refers not to selecting a group in the Sidebar, but to selecting it in the Item List view. That distinction isn’t obvious at all when you’re new to this workflow.

Thanks again for the help — much appreciated.

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so I got it working once — and now no command works, even if a group is selected in the List View:

(tried both ChatGPT and Claude; using the same command which worked once, and even other simpler commands (e.g., generate a list of documents titles…)

I don’t use LLMs, so I can’t really help you there. But maybe you need to write a more specific prompt.

list the document titles of the selected group

… doesn’t read super clear to me? (Of course I understand what you mean, but I don’t know about LLMs.) Maybe something like:

  • List the name of every document in the selected group.
  • Fetch the title of every document in the selected group and return them as a list
  • Fetch the contents of the selected group and give me a list with the name of every document.

I don’t know, I have no experience with the chat.

Only the properties and contents of selected items can be accessed. This does not include the children of groups. Therefore you would have to select the group‘s children on your own.

What are the intended use cases for selecting a group in the Item List for Chat / AI, if the group’s contents are not included?

I had assumed that selecting a group (e.g. Pantry) would allow Chat to use the documents inside it as context. At least that was my impression from reading the docs.

I PM’d you.

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Can the answer be shared with us all please?

If there’s something to share, then yes.

The answer to this would be a good start.

The database search of the chat assistant is limited to the selection of the item list or, if there‘s none, to the selection of the sidebar. Therefore selected groups are useful to restrict the search.

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