+1 for that wish/need/expectation
also +1 for your, IMO, very convincing argument about the inherent link (motivated expectation) of “organizing” (esp. as active, empowering, or even 'creative) and “custom ordering”
another +1 for the sub-argument that it would make sense for the mobile app to reflect as best as possible such very basic dimension as file ordering (both in terms of capacities as well as in terms of saved states of ordering)
Yeah, I know everybody uses things differently, and what is essential to one is not necessarily essential to another, of course. Anyway, thanks for considering this, it’s surely appreciated by many (even if they don’t step out).
Thanks for stepping out and showing that there are more users who would like to order things and have them synced to all the devices.
… I know it can sometimes feel like ‘stepping out’; but it really just is ‘registering’ 
I am aware it´s difficult to negotiate these things, partly bec we are in a space where there is no objective quantification of ‘demand / request’, (as there is nothing like a votable feature board), and even less ‘relevance’ in relation to very complex and lofty things like an apps ‘philosophy’ (loosely speaking). add to that, that surely as subjective as ones own ‘requirements’ (hard or soft) is any forum with it cultures and the ways it represents collective sentiment. (that is a difficult issue in itself.)
so, I think, given that you are doing a good job giving an argument. 
otherwise, this is what you – and everybody – can do here: give an argument, enter (senseful) discussion and deliberation, … and then hope it registers w/ those finally making calls (with ‘registering’ including the additional hurdle and challenge on any developers of prioritization in relation to always limited resources) 
As the DT team has now indicated that it’s something which will come sooner or later (though of course prefer sooner) I’m trying not to dive down into any discussion & the details and principles too much. However, a couple of thoughts which I hope might be useful:
• For me, especially since all my devices are like a seamless extension of my daily life, a good piece of software reflects how humans work, think and organise in real life, which is always completely different from person to person. If all of us on this thread met together and visited each other’s homes, all of our neighbours’ homes and that of our friends, we’d see very clearly that all of our kitchens are structured very differently, and our utensils, crockery, cutlery and cookware stored to our individual preferences and ways of working (imagine if we were all forced to structure our kitchen according to a small number of predetermined and rigid systems which come directly from the government - maybe a clumsy analogy but you get my point). That’s why I’m so particular about manual sorting - it’s the only way I can get things to be stored/ordered/working in a way that suits me like a glove, plus all the things I do with DT - and repeat ad infinitum for everybody else.
• I feel that a quick count of how many users have agreed on a given thread over x amount of years as a form of measuring the usefulness of a certain prospective feature is something of a blunt instrument, and it doesn’t fully convince me. I don’t know about much more specific technical features/points - maybe yes - but the basic wish to organise according to one’s own way of thinking (and quirks) is too much of an ingrained facet of human nature. Besides this forum has lots of active and helpful contributors - that’s great - although I learnt at an early age that forums represent a small percentage of the wider user base, and the grouping of active/regular commenters in these forums represent a smaller slice of this small percentage.
Being an amateur modern anthropologist, just throwing this last one for nothing other than interest: I’m not fully clear about Devontechnologies’s structure but can see that it’s German-founded & quite German-influenced. I like buying German stuff - physical as well as software - as I think they tend to do things very well on the whole. However, in my interactions with them as a customer, I’ve noticed that a higher percentage tend to be clear about their direction and/or feature plan and stick resolutely to it, whereas companies in the Anglosphere perhaps have more of a social pressure/expectation to be more responsive to customers’ wishes. I’m not saying either approach is better than the other - as long as things are not taken to the extreme on either side, I suppose.
Although we’re all different? Just to give another perspective: I have never felt the need to organize my documents manually (wouldn’t even know by which criteria I’d do that). Nor my photos in iPhoto. Nor my files in Finder. In DT, I use (smart) groups and tags, but then I’m mostly using it to handle financial information.
YMMV varies, obviously. And perhaps I’m not human by nature if I don’t want so sort digital assets manually. That’s, btw, where your kitchen analogy falls short: The kitchen utensils are organized one way and changing that requires a significant amount of work. Clicking on a list header in a Finder or DT view, OTOH, is a trivial thing to do.
Well, in the recent past there are quite some examples where “we” do not do things very well. New Berlin airport, new Stuttgart train station, new Hamburg philharmonics. Only 60% of trains being on time. Car industry missing out on e-mobility.
I’m no anthropologist, but attributing social behavior to the language someone speaks (or that is prevalent in a company) doesn’t convince me. Especially since huge companies (also in Germany) have a mixed language environment today. They even employ people not speaking German at all.
Interesting discussion. I’ve never organised my photos manually either and couldn’t imagine ever wanting to do so. Documents and files, yes, absolutely. So - as with everywhere in life - it’s not totally black and white.
I have my stirring & other cooking utensils in a drawer under my cooker because I want to be able to remain standing where I am when cooking, and open-take-close without moving. I know somebody who keeps their utensils across the kitchen, she brings them over to the cooker - makes no sense to me, but works for her, perfectly fine. I think my point was about each person finding what works for them rather than about the process underlying making changes to systems, which is what you raised. I don’t have to worry about changing how my kitchen is organised, since I was able to do that manually already in the first place, so why would I need to change? Contrast my clumsy analogy about the government telling me and my friend that our utensils must be in drawer X and/or Y - problem is that drawer W works for me and drawer Z works for my friend. We’re both stuck and frustrated.
I don’t want to labour the point or analogy too much (and fear I’m getting sucked into the discussion despite trying not to!) - just that everybody works best when they are able to structure how they like - BOTH manually and by rules. I can order manually on DT - I just would love to be able to have this manual order sync to my other computer. That’s all.
My point about Germany wasn’t really to do with the language spoken (I work in a trilingual environment myself, in a company with a pretty strong Anglo-centric approach) but about the overall approach to business and products, and in my limited experience I do definitely notice a cultural difference. It’s not a problem - just something I find interesting, and there are strengths there in some situations.
I did read about Berlin airport, and appreciate your points about others (a Swiss friend of mine is quite pleased about that, for some reason!) although I had physical products in mind rather than projects/infrastructure. I tend to find that they are better made and last longer than most. Probably a discussion which has absolutely nothing to do with DT syncing manual file order now!!