What other apps do you pair with DevonThink

How do you connect documents and groups in DEVONthink with their Noteplan counterparts?

The reason I ask is this: I have a very folder groups-heavy organization system in DEVONthink: I’m generally working on three or four projects simultaneously, and I store all my materials for each project in an individual group.

I returned to DEVONthink in October or so, and my primary work database already has two dozen groups in it — one for each project I’ve worked on since then, plus a couple of other groups related to other things.

More recently, I started breaking out separate databases for other areas of life: One for a community organization I’m in, one for my personal blog, and so on. When I get around to it, I’ll break out another database for personal finance and legal matters, and another, small database just for books I want to read.

Do you have a similar organization structure? And if so how do you ensure that each Noteplan document is contained in the appropriate database and group?

This is a problem I see with using any external app side by side with DT — for example, Obsidian, which was my DT replacement from 2021 to 2024, and which I miss some aspects of.

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NotePlan is able to group markdown-notes and even pdf files in folders of the file system. I do not use this function very much, because this is where DEVONthink shines. I only have some cheatsheets for dancing steps in these notes for quick retrieval in iPhone :man_dancing:.

DEVONthink shows the folders of NotePlan as indexed groups and the indexed documents can be replicated to other groups.

What I heavily use is only one folder of NotePlan called “Calendar”. This folder contains about 2.500 markdown documents, one document per day with notes.

DEVONthink is and stays my main knowledge base, so I have no need to connect DEVONthink to NotePlan, but to connect NotePlan as nifty time management tool to DEVONthink. And this setup works very well for my needs.

I only have two databases, one for work (civil engineering) and one for my hobbys (sport science, horseback riding :horse: and ballroom dancing :man_dancing: :woman_dancing:).

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The tools I use and want to use are

  • BBEdit
  • TableFlip
  • Marked

The tools I have to use are

  • Excel
  • Word
  • PDFExpert
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Is Launchbar something different from Raycast or Alfred?
I use Raycast - Devonthink extension for DT search (type ‘option-cmd’ → type ‘sid’ → and search anything). Is Launchbar any faster or better ?

Yes. Significantly better, if you learn about ‘instant send’. It’s probably closer to the old quicksilver than anything else.

I have LB set up to have ‘invoke’ on double-tap ⌘. In this way, it’s pretty much like the tools you describe. Type a couple of letters to set the function you want, then pick from a list and press return.

But where LaunchBar becomes indispensable is using ‘instant send’, which I have mapped to double-tap ⌥. In this mode, it picks up whatever is selected - text, files, etc - and invokes LaunchBar with that item set. You then can operate on that item - browse the directory for a file, for example - or press the ⇥ key. This allows you to select a verb to operate on the noun you’ve set - so I can browse to a different file location, and then move or symlink the file in one go. Or I might send an image to a resize or automator script, or some text I’d selected to a new file in DEVONthink, without using any other tools. It’s insane how powerful and intuitive it is.

The action I mentioned allows you to search DT using text, and then navigate through groups from there. I suspect you can take clipboard text and send it to create a new item in DT too, without having to directly interface with anything else.

LB has a few other less visible tricks too. At any time, you can press ⌘K and sift through the last 100 items in your clipboard as a source or destination for actions. You can press ⌘B to pick through the list of recent items you’ve used in LaunchBar.

This gets you in some wild places. There’s an app switcher, but you can do things like open LB (⌘⌘), pick a running application (⌘R), navigate into it’s recent files list (→), pick a destination (⇥), choose from paths you have used recently (⌘K), and append the contents to the file. You can then browse inside the file (⇧→) and type a few letters to filter what it shows, before picking a line and copying it to the clipboard.

It’s really insane how powerful it is. It makes you use your mac in a different way. I’m lost without it.

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I have used Alfred in the past, but have switched to Launchbar some years ago. Alfred has more functions but I like the simpler approach of Launchbar more. All I use it is for starting apps and clipboard management - simple as possible. I do not use Spotlight, because all files I want to find are stored in DEVONthink.

Oh. Antinote is very neat. Thanks for that, @jonmoore.

And damn you to heck for sending me down a rabbit warren that landed me with SuperKey as well. I ended up looking at Brett Terpstra’s application suggestions for 2024 which is a CRIMPer’s wet dream/wallet hole.

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You’re getting into contentious (pick your sports team) territory here, when it comes to launchers. My only advice is give each one a thorough, lengthy trial, and you’ll work out which one is for you. All three are excellent, but if I were to differentiate them any further, it would be as follows:

Launchbar - is for the person who wants to avoid as much trackpad/mouse interaction as possible.

Alfred - it’s main strength is its custom nodal Workflow system, which is both approachable and exceptionally deep.

Raycast - is the most modern (Swift native app), and it’s definitely the one that all the cool kids prefer, but it’s also the most expensive (by far) and is only available as a subscription offer.

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I am using it for free. It was my impression that you have to pay only for certain features like AI.

I mostly use DEVONthink, Firefox, Apple Mail and Adobe Lightroom Classic.

For capturing images

Adobe Lightroom Classic - a lot of LR images with keywords, exported into DT as png, with the keywords converted to tags (DEVONthink rocks)

Apple Camera: Tons of screenshots, but also photos - I alternate between getting them out of the iphone via iMazing vs. via Adobe Lightroom.

One issue with Lightroom, which Adobe never got around to care about, is that there is no way to export these screenshots with their original created date. So I created a LR export template to export these images prepending the created date to their filenames. I then use the amazing A Better Finder Attributes to change the created date back by reading the incipit of the filename.

I use a lot Image Search (Google, etc) in Firefox or DT’s webkit, and capturing that is easy of course.

SmartShooter 5 - is an amazing app that I use via a Kaiser stand and a Canon 6D to capture images of flat documents as well - but most importantly, my philatelic work that has to have resolution and color fidelity.

Preview is great for small image edits once in DEVONthink, and so are Acorn and the amazing GraphicConverter

Spreadsheets

Numbers is my preferred app. I used Excel a lot in the past and loved it, but now I like Numbers better. It plays nicely with DT.

Text and Note Processing

I create large numbers of text, rtf and md files. The md files I have been using as a sort of control files, with links to other documents inside DT.

There are several nice apps, but I want to single out IA Writer, as well as Bean - this one does one amazing little thing which is the ability to work in rtf files and do some smart markdown tricks - very useful when formatting very old text, rtf files.

I use Apple Notes very extensively, mostly as a temporary store. Exporting to DT was always a bit meh, so I just copy and paste.

BBEdit Ahh, this is a great, venerable app. Use it with regular expressions, and to do a gazillion things.

PDF Tools

Many great apps here. I often ingest stuff using my rock-solid Fujitsu IX500 scanner, via it’s own ScanSnap or else the great father & son team’s VueScan - which I also use to scan stuff with my Epson V700

After scanning, or with PDFs acquired elsewhere, my basic reader is PDF Expert, but I often use Highlights - when I want to create annotations that contain images - a unique capability of this very useful app.

PDF Squeezer is invaluable to reduce some large MB files, does a better job than other apps. I created an Applescript for it, that lives in DT’s toolbar.

ColorSync Utility ! - this was a big surprise. I had many older pdf scans with important documents, and many are very faded or very low-contrast. Someone somewhere mentioned using this Apple little utility to improve these PDFs, and it works amazingly.

Capturing from the web

I used Safari, then Chrome, then Edge, then Arc, then Safari, then Arc, then Chrome, then I just got too exhausted, and decided to use Firefox and stop worrying. It does play ok with DT - not as great as Safari. But I did abandon Safari a couple years ago because,at least for me, it was causing huge memory issues. Who knows… And I like Mozilla. A lot.

More elaborate constructs

I used Tinderbox quite a lot, and iThoughts, but now wen I want to do a mind mapping, it is MindNode - - but I still am not entirely sure what is the best way for them to work together, except of course via links.

Workflow tools

Find Any File - after I disable Spotlight, which was making my system very slow (sorry to see you go Houdah Spot…) this is a workhorse. Simple, fast, effective.

Keyboard Maestro - I haven’t yet explored all its potential. But it already does a couple of things I really find useful.

ScriptDebugger. Sorry to see you go, I understand why. I love you.

Yoink - a lovely little app - but lately I have been just popping things into the Sorter.

PopClip - Nicks’ utterly smart little app. I used it for a lot of things.

X Menu - DEVON’s own terrific little app. Same with WordServices - Bravo!!!

Bartender 5 is a must.

TextSniper. Such a smart and useful little app, for when I want to “OCR” some little text snippet on the fly to use for file naming, or in an email, etc.

CustomShortcuts - a must, as I use a lot of shortcuts for DT and other apps.

I am sure forgetting stuff. But most importantly, my effectiveness and pleasure in using DEVONthink are a result of it being an amazing application, with a great team who is always there for you. Oh, did I mention the HELP is better than ever???

And did I mention this forum has great people?

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This is the perfect use case for MindNode, @uimike - make items on a mind map link to their relevant x-DEVONthink-item: URLs, such as DEVONthink groups.

Ah! thanks dave I will give it a try tonight.

I believe Raycast is similar to Alfred and Launchbar in that it has a base free version plus two levels of pro capabilities inclusive of Ai @ $96 and $192 per annum.

The $96 version adds the following non Ai features:

Cloud Sync
Translator
Unlimited Raycast Notes
Unlimited Clipboard History
Custom Window Management
Custom Themes

But you do get access to the growing library of free extensions, although I’ve found Alfred often has better, more reliable Custom Workflows for the Apps I use than those offered in Raycast.

I have the free version of Raycast installed and will probably pay the $96 per annum option once the Windows version is out of beta (launcher options on Windows suck!). I’ll primarily be paying for Cloud Sync as multiple device access to the same config is important to me.

In my menubar to this very day.

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This is my favorite Discourse thread of the year, across all the apps I follow. It’s fascinating to see the various, very different, constellations that knowledge workers build for themselves from the dozens of solid macOS apps we have available now. All constellations centering around DEVONthink, of course :slight_smile:

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Raycast relying on React might make it more difficult to write extensions for it. And as to the DT extension: It’s basically using search and osascript to get the records from DT. That is quite limiting, imo – not possible to display the database name along the records, eg. Also, I’m not a big fan of promises and async stuff in this context – if a user searches for something, that is very much a synchronous process. No need to jump through all these async hoops, I think.

I felt more at home with Alfred, though the documentation is lacking useful information for extension writers with both products. Imo, of course.

Here is also my list. Apart from DTP and DTTG, which are absolutely central:
Bartender 5
PopClip
Alfred
XMenu (für die wichtigsten Word-Vorlagen liegen)
Moom
Yoink
TextExpander
Funnel (iPhone )
Dragon Anywhere (dictate in iPhone, copy and paste in MacBook)
iCheckClock
ScannerPro (above all, to convert the photographed documents that clients send me into PDFs

then:
BusyCal
BusyContacts
Omnifocus
1Password
PDF Expert (especially to censor text parts or encrypt PDFs)
FileMaker
GoodNotes
Reeder
Drafts
MindNode
Arq
iAWriter
Scrivener

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Good thing they use Gorilla Glass :wink:

A compilation, sorted, of App names, with frequency - don’t trust it too much. Would be lovely, but slightly masochistic, to list by task/use :slight_smile:

1Password
Acorn (2)
Alfred (5)
Antinote (2)
Apple Agenda
Apple Look Up
Apple Notes (2)
Apple Numbers (3)
Apple Pages
Apple Script Editor
Apple Stickies
Applescript (2)
Bartender (2)
BBEdit (5)
Bean
Bear
BetterTouchTool (2)
BusyCal
BusyContacts
Calibre
CheatSheet
CodeRunner
ColorSync Utility
Copy 'Em Pasteboard
CotEditor
Curio
Custom Shortcuts (2)
Dash
Day One
DeepL
Default Folder X
DEVONthink’s macOS Services
Drafts (2)
Dragon Anywhere
Droplr
Dropzone
Easy CSV Editor
Excel
FileMaker
Find Any File
Firefox
Apple Mail
Adobe Lightroom Classic.
Floating
Funnel (iPhone )
GoodNotes
GraphicConverter (2)
Hazel
HazeOver
Highlights
Hookmark (3)
HyperPlan
iA Writer (5)
iCheckClock
ImageOptim
iMazing
Karabiner
Keyboard Maestro (7)
Kindle
Launchbar (4)
Marked
MarkEdit
MindNode (3)
Moom
NitroPDF,
Notability
NotePlan (2)
Obsidian (3)
Omnifocus (3)
OmniFocus
OmniGroup other Apps
OpenIn
Paletro (3)
PDF Expert (4)
PDF Squeezer (2)
PDFOutline
PDFOutliner
Pixelmator (2)
Popclip (5)
Preview (3)
PureRef
Raycast
Reeder
Retrobatch
Safari
ScannerPro
ScanSnap
ScriptDebugger
Scrivener (2)
Scrivener
SimpleMind
Skim
SmartShooter
SuperKey
Swish
TableFlip
TexTastic
TextEdit
TextExpander (2)
TextSniper
TextSoap (2)
TextSoap
Tinderbox
Tot
Typinator
Typora
Ulysses (2)
Ulysses
VS Code
VueScan
Word
XMenu (3)
Yoink (5)
Zavala
Zotero

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Skim…for PDF editing.