i am a devonthink user since beginning. BUT.
others did not even catch up they do it better and more stable.
the webclipper has more problems than use.
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also extensions dont work any more ?
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pkm… no we dont want this… we are devonthink !
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devonthink good bye you have not listened to the users, now others did. i am out!
Thank you for the long time.
This issue with Google Chrome reported in other posts just recently, along with DEVONtechnologies’ reply. Due to changes by Google to Chrome.
Have no idea what “pkm” is or your point.
Yea, due I think to all the different technologies for websites on the internet, I also don’t find the web clipper consistency useful. I accept that DEVONtechnologies can’t be perfect here given all the complexity of the web sites out there. For 99% of my stuff, I successfully “print to DEVONthink” a PDF and go from there. Sometimes web sites do stuff to prohibit that and then I try other things.
Enjoy whatever you have moved to, if anything.
A poet 
… who switches to which app because it can do what better? Just the web clipping? Or everything? Either way, good luck.
He’s an Obsidian user who’s posted about his particular requirements here:
and here:
RDB solutions such as Notion, Tana, Logseq etc. can be a game changer for a poet who writes verses. There are apparent advantages in having each single verse as an independent object, while presenting them together neatly as a single poem. If the OP encountered one of these apps for the first time before making this post, the sentiments would have been very much understandable.
That being said, not everyone needs an RDB, especially if they don’t write in the way the OP does…
Good luck, buddy!
I was using an unlicensed version for a tad bit longer than the trial version allowed, and then I just bought it because, there ain’t anything better for PKM.
Oh. Notion!!! Tried it… then I wanted to export and learned the hard way that they lock you in by making it hard to leave.
Never again!
That’s a matter of fact for all RDBs. You have to either (1) find/develop a tool that understands SQL or JSON in the way you want it to, or (2) make do with imperfect export in a human-readable format. For the likes of Notion and Tana, option (1) is not even possible.
It really winds me up when someone whose name I don’t recognise from the forum writes a post suggesting they speak for “the users”. Which users? They’re not speaking for me, or many of the other regulars and irregulars.
Anyway DT is brilliant at what it does and I don’t know of another app that offers the same functionality.
Also, I don’t agree with calling DT a dinosaur, but as an ex-geologist I’d like to point out that dinosaurs were the dominant form of life on Earth for over 100 million years. Mammals haven’t managed half that yet. It’s not the insult you think it is.
Once again, MsLogica proves equal to the avatar!
(Snip - Many paragraphs of harrumphing redacted for your reading convenience.)
Devonthink is a reliable document manager that also serves as a wrapper around any application and document format I need. Obsidian lacks DT’s flexibility and reliability - and I realize many others will have different experiences. I bought an Obsidian license because I think it’s worth supporting. I keep it installed on a junky Windows box where I keep track of how it’s doing.
Except for the plugin community, Obsidian is in my view moribund. I don’t use it. Improvements have come out but nothing dramatic. Core Obsidian is not rapidly evolving. The Canvas feature was nice, but that’s about the only thing I’ve seen that moved Obsidian forward by much.
Regarding each individual verse in a poem as an individual object, what’s the problem?
As @BLUEFROG reminded me, mercifully commuting any demerits I deserved for overlooking the feature, control-command-up/down will move a selected region in Markdown and RTF documents edited in Devonthink.
Or use any external editor you want. Devonthink plays nicely with everything.
Of course, if Devonthink doesn’t fill a need, don’t use it. For me, DT is a bargain.
And, seriously, setting aside whimsical comments about demerits, could you ask for better customer support?
I’m admittedly biased, but this is what Scrivener does. I find it and DT complement each other exceptionally well.
What is your goal with this post?
If DEVONthink doesn’t suit you, fair enough. If you feel a need to vent your frustrations, I guess that’s only all too human. But what reaction do you expect?
“No! Please don’t leave me… I can do better!”
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To me your post comes off a bit performative; you almost sound like a scorned lover.
I don’t wish to diminish your experience, as we all have different needs and preferences. But DEVONthink still amazes me. I have yet to find anything that comes even close to it. It is my favorite piece of software out of everything I’ve used – and the main reason I don’t even entertain the idea of ditching the Mac, even when there are good reasons to be critical of Apple in recent years.
I don’t see DEVONthink as a “dying dinosaur” at all. On the contrary, it is constantly updating and evolving! DEVONtech doesn’t blindly follow every new market trend – but this is actually something I value. I don’t need an essential tool to completely transform every 6 months. I prefer the considered approach and (in my eyes) careful judgement exercised by the developers.
Another species wrongly assumed extinct…
And this nice dovetail…
Well-represented in both freshwater and marine fossils since the Devonian
Just keep swimming, just keep swimming…
Yes, you are. But there is nothing wrong with that
Not more like what Scapple does? But Scapple doesn’t do anything else that Scrivener can do. Maybe mixing both apps would be a solution. But not on the basis of Scrivener, because then the number of “verses” would be rather limited. Ah, you could split the verses into multiple projects so Scrivener can digest larger amounts of data and then search in all projects at the same time … wait, no, unfortunately Scrivener can’t do that. DT can. But with DT it is not necessary to create multiple databases because the app can handle just one large database.
Perhaps it would be best to merge DT, Scrivener and Scapple into DEVON’s Literature or Think with a Latte. 
Or … maybe we just leave everything as it is.
Agreed, since a marriage is out of the question, we’ll go for cohabitation. And if they haven’t died (like the dinosaurs), they still live happily together today.
I don’t know if any poets writing today are composing works the size of the Iliad. But if they are, Scrivener can handle it. It’s been tested with projects well over a million words.
Come on @kewms, not this discussion again.
PKM abb. : Personal knowledge management
Related Personal information management (PIM); knowledge work; “Second Brain”; Zettelkasten; PARA
My impression is there is a whole community centered on this term. Or rather, several overlapping communities – these boundaries are always fuzzy. A network of blogs, forums and influencers (even “gurus”) with a shared discourse and certain established wisdom and conventions. Sometimes it can almost seem like a belief system.
In short: The most recent permutation of the online “productivity” sphere.
I’m not sure where the term PKM first gained wider traction, but it might have been through Notion and Tiago Forte – the guy behind the “PARA” system sometimes mentioned in the forum. Then came Obsidian and Sönke Ahrens’ book on Zettelkasten (How to Take Smart Notes : One Simple Technique to Boost Writing, Learning and Thinking). Their popularity spawned a wave of “PKM” software[1] and grew the related community/ies. Tiago later published a book titled Building a Second Brain : A Proven Method to Organize Your Digital Life and Unlock Your Creative Potential (2022) and also sells related courses.
To me there is an element of trend or fad at play here. It’s not just hot air, but I think a lot of it is better understood when perceived as social phenomena.
(Note: I haven’t deeply read any of what I mention, I just have a basic awarenes of this sphere. So don’t take my impression for more than it is.)
You have probably already heard of some of them. Notion, Craft, Logseq, Roam Research etc. An example listicle: 12 Best PKM Apps for Note-Taking in 2025 ↩︎
This, and also people build their PKM systems as an end in itself. They spend a lot of time fussing over the organization and appearance. Which is fine! I love a creative hobby.
My two cents: Yeah, DevonThink can be used as a PKM but it’s maybe not the best software for that. The best PKM software is markdown-focused, while DevonThink supports Markdown as one document type among many.
A related phenomenon: Bullet journaling. Some people love their bullet journals and buy a nice notebook to put it in and use multi-colored ink and illustrations and stuff. Other people have an ugly, utilitarian bullet journal.
I’m curious what @AndreasEbner thinks is wrong with DevonThink, besides the web clipper extension being broken in Chrome.
In fact, and I am trying to recall where - maybe BBC? - just read a couple days ago of deep sea divers capturing some extraordinary footage of the “extinct” fish…
