DT4 - DEVONthink 4 new upgrade license expires when?

Seeing the announcement I went immediately and upgraded my licenses. However, I think the copy selling the upgrade is confusing. It says the year will run from release of 4 until one year.

When I upgraded to 4, it says license expires a year from today.

Did the copy mean a year from the beta release (today) or a year from the version launch (what I thought the copy meant)?

ALSO- is copilot (as in that’s the thing I use at work and it has enterprise data protection, etc) an option among the LLMs?

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As noted in the Upgrader’s Guide, it’s a year from the public release, not the beta.

ALSO- is copilot (as in that’s the thing I use at work and it has enterprise data protection, etc) an option among the LLMs?

No. The available options are in the Settings > AI > Chat as well as described in the Help.

Did you read this:

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Thanks. It’s confusing because the license screen in account says it expires April 3, 2026.

So I had a moment of not sure there.

Dang on Copilot. Until we get some local LLMs in the environment, that’s the only one allowed to touch work data so I’ll probably wait before upgrading those licenses.

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As we don’t know when exactly the final release will come out — soothsaying and all — we cannot give it a concrete date. When the time has come, all licenses purchases or extended between now and the final release will be extended to one year from that time.

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Check out the AI Explained section I mentioned in the post I linked. Local LLMs sound better than they are unless you’re running serious hardware… or are prepared to wait for (hopefully) good results.

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I’m with you 100% and I want to applaud the way you’ve helped people adjust their expectations. You also just described why I know it’ll be a good while before we have any useful locals in the work environment (thereby leaving Copilot and its oddities such as giving you python when you asked it for AppleScript or giving you four items when you asked it for all items) …. Copilot in an enterprise MS365 environment is the only choice there. One thing it can do well, and why I’d want it there is targeted data extraction (think populating custom metadata). So, hopefully we see the organization copilot pro added to the options sometime

Again, I think you did an excellent job with setting people’s expectations on gen AI, and your observations match a lot of the things I’ve experienced using it at work.

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Thank you for your generous words. That was a section I really worked hard to be honest and realistic but not drowning the parade. That’s why I followed it with the AI in Practice section to bring a little uplift to what IS possible within those managed expectations.

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I agree - I’ve worked with several and tried to get them to do automated tasks and it can be hilarious. An example - adobe, copilot, Claude, and some of the others will do a decent job summarizing key points of a contract.

If, however, you give a series of prompts meant for it to extract those same key points such as price, expiration date, effective date, etc , most of them will say “I can’t find that in the document”. LOL!

I’ve found it to be helpful for some Applescripting - especially for quickly writing sections but even Copilot chokes on automating word (because it gets lazy addressing the torturous object model word uses)

It has promise and some tasks are well spent there - “make a funny tweet about this post” but it can (and many times does) take a dive once some serious tasks are on the table

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Is there a time window for purchasing the update to Version 4 at the current price?

As an unsophisticated user of DEVONthink, I’m happy to wait for V4 to be fully released.

If I wait too long, will I end up having to pay more to move from DT3 Pro to DT4 Pro ?

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No, there is no upgrade window that’ll be closing.

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I looked at this screen that said I could switch back to version 3 at any time. I read this as install DT4 & then I can use both as they are different apps DT3 & DT (without the 4), V4 showed my databases which I opened. So now what do I do as I did not go to, “DEVONthink 3 application. Control-click it, and choose Compress” beforehand?

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To avoid potentially unwanted behavior, compress version 3 as instructed now.

I’m also not sure what I bought: A upgrade to 4 or an 'extension of 3, is it for a year and we have to pay again? I.e. it’s now a subscription?? Our enthusiasm for the (3) product made us jump on it but the confusion and possible pricing going forward may really hurt the brand loyalty!

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This is discussed here…

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