DT4 - "more flexible and modern license model"?

As with everything in life - I am balancing the cost towards value. For me you could charge $999 for the app and I will still buy it. Been a user during many years and DT has saved me so much time and money. There is no other app (tested many) that does the work. I am ie so happy that I don’t pay for having my data in a cloud that could be hacked. Or the company owning the cloud goes bankrupt. I think I bought my first license 2015. Inflation the last ten years is at least 35% depending on how you count. Many things doubled and tripled. I never had to pay for support. The only support that is better than DT is the one I get from my wife! So all in all - if you don’t think it is worth it keep what you have for free. I upgraded to 4 day one and looking forward to the next one. Even such a silly app like Acrobat Reader is monthly now (I use pdf-expert for that reason) and I think cloud based as well. Banks go bankrupt, countries go bankrupt let’s make sure DT will stay forever!

PS However I would like to see a price for updates/upgrades forever like $399 DS

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It took me a while to understand what is happening - thanks for answering all questions in the Forum. But now I understand the new reality. DT is a great App with excellent support that I would miss badly. I will upgrade on day 1 to support the further development. Thanks for your work.

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Welcome @CW4000 and thank you for your kind words of support. Stay tuned.

I am now 3 years with DEVONthink pro on the go and I admit that it is quite complex to find sometimes the workaround for the problem I like to solve. But that’s not DEVONthink´s fault, it is just me…
I always wondered how you could manage to keep up such a fantastic software with such an incredible support with this pricing model. I want to thank you all for this and I understand and support your new licensing model! I use DTpro private and I do not work at a university and I don`t understand the point some people think they can pay less for your software than others. We pay for your service because we like and appreciate DT and it doesn´t matter for whatever purpose we use it.
I just wanted to stress this in this thread and have purchased the update right away, even before the final release of DT4.
Thank you all in the DT team for your work!

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Thanks for the kind words and support. It’s very appreciated!

Congrats on the new release. This license model is used by JetBrains.

I use homebrew to update DT. The cask isn’t available yet for DT4. Questions:

  1. Do you have an ETA on a homebrew cask for DT4?
  2. Will it be possible to have a credit card auto-charged every 12 months?
  3. Will it be possible to set up homebrew to auto-update for 12 months from the point of purchase, and then stop updating after 12 months until the user pays again manually?

Homebrew is not an officially sanctioned method of installing or updating our software. We do not create casks for any applications and strongly recommend installing from the proper channel: our downloads page.

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I don’t know why I decided to read through this entire thread, but I did, so congratulations to all at DT for your heroic service :joy:

For what it’s worth, I’m another user who is fine with the new pricing structure. I have been a vocal opponent of subscriptions when they’ve been discussed here in the past (and elsewhere on the web :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:), but also recognised that the previous payment structure wasn’t sustainable. Renewing licences is fair to both the customer and the company, and I use a couple of other apps running the same model.

I haven’t tried DT4 yet as I’m nervous about beta, but I’m excited to get started.

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Thanks @MsLogica :heart:

I haven’t tried DT4 yet as I’m nervous about beta, but I’m excited to get started.

No need to be nervous, as it is stable. But we recommend data-safe practices, so read this…

Don’t say that at nearly 5pm on a Sunday (for me) when it’s probably unrealistic for me to figure it out before a new working week :joy:

I misspoke really. As we know from my previous misadventures in DT, I have a very casual attitude to pressing buttons without learning what they do first. I don’t have the headspace right now to familiarise myself with the new functions and save myself the headache of breaking something serious. However, I have got the manual downloaded and ready to read. (You’re benefiting from my caution really, since you or someone else on this forum would be rescuing me once I’d pressed the “never press this button” button :joy:)

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Haha, thank you. You perfectly put to words my thinking.

At DEVONthink 3, which used to pay one-off, the team rarely gave users a timetable and expected features for future updates. If DEVONthink 4 adopts this more flexible pay model, will it need to tell us in advance about the development update plan for roughly the next year?

No, this will not compel us to disclose internal development plans or produce timelines.

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First of all, Devonthink is a great tool that I have been using for well over ten years. I have had very few problems and the support is fantastic (at no extra costs). Thank you very much for that.

I can understand that your company needs to make a profit and stay profitable. That is completely legitimate. But what shocks me a little is the pricing and the update policy as such.

I now have to decide whether I want to buy an up-to-date program with all the features and receive security updates at the same time. If I don’t go for the new license, I can continue to use Devonthink, but I won’t get any new features (which wouldn’t be a problem) but I’ll have to live with security updates. And that makes it a bit difficult for me.

As I read in a post, “hotfix” refers to any update that fixes a malfunction. Unfortunately, I can’t find any statement about security updates.

I would have liked a somewhat more open, two-stage license model.
1st level: A cheap (or free) license just to get only security updates. This license would guarantee the security of users who are not financially well off;
2nd level: A full license with security and feature updates.

I don’t remember „security updates“ for DT at all. So, I don’t think you’d be missing out on much.

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Let’s hope you’re right.

I think @eboehnisch pointed out earlier in this (lengthy) thread that security updates are much more an operating system thing, not an app thing.

It is hypothetically possible that a MacOS security update would break some aspect of DT but, I believe, so unlikely that it would not be a material threat. I base my belief on the fact that DT does not depend on exotic, low-level hacks (of which there are fewer and fewer as Apple tightens access to the innards of MacOS).

That said, if such a problem did arise, the simple solutions would be (1) do not update MacOS or (2) at that point update to the new, compatible MacOS. Given that, like @chrillek I’ve never seen a DT security update in the last 9 or so years, the combination of probability (ver low) and impact (a one-off update purchase) looks very reasonable to me. But, as always, the situation may be very different for you.

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This model is very close to the model used by the Agenda App. AgendaApp releases new features regularly, and those are not activated in the App if you do not have an active subscription. It forces them to be creative and keeps them fed and in business.

It feels like DEVONthink is going somewhere in the middle with a more traditional Service Level type App. Where you buy it today and they warranty it for a year. After that, you have to pay to update if they give you new fancy features you want, or if your platform of choice no longer supports DT.

That seems fair to me. I have always been a little afraid that with there being such a long time between updates from DTech, they would eventually just stop developing altogether. So I’m happy they have come out with a model that seems to secure them constant and recurring funding so that we can be certain of and rely on the app that will work until the founders croak or get so utterly bored they go fishing and don’t come home.

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I am vegetarian :herb: :wink:

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I’ve really enjoyed discovering DEVONthink over the past few months. It’s clear that an immense amount of care and effort has gone into both the product and the support ecosystem. The responsiveness of the team, the documentation, the scripting resources — it’s all very impressive and deeply appreciated.

I want to be clear: I don’t object to DEVONtechnologies raising prices. Software needs to evolve, and I understand that sustainable development requires sustainable income. Pricing models do change, and that’s completely reasonable.

That said, I’d like to gently raise a concern shared by many long-term and new users alike: the effective increase in long-term cost under the new model.

In the past, one could purchase DEVONthink for around $199 and use it reliably for 5–6 years without feeling forced to upgrade. That gave a predictable and fair value — about $30–40/year over the long term. The new model, however, invites us to pay $99/year to keep up with updates, which brings the total 5-year cost closer to $600.

While users can technically choose not to renew, the new pricing model functions similarly to a “subscription-for-updates” system, as used by software like Tinderbox or Due. And that’s not inherently a bad thing — in fact, this kind of model can be fair and sustainable. The issue is more about clarity than about pricing itself. Newer software products often present their subscription or pricing structure with more transparency — making it easier for users to understand what they’re paying for and what they can expect in return.

In that sense, a clear update policy, a roadmap, or even feature forecasts wouldn’t just help users make better-informed decisions — it would increase user-perceived value, reduce friction, and actually strengthen DEVONthink’s position as a premium long-standing product, not just one protected by an ecosystem moat. Relying primarily on a legacy user base and extracting revenue through uncertainty may work in the short term, but in the long run, trust is built on clarity and expectations, not on lock-in.

I’m not questioning the team’s effort — quite the opposite. I’m simply suggesting that if DEVONtechnologies openly and confidently frames this as a long-term value proposition (e.g., “we are raising the long-term price to $600 because we are investing in X, Y, and Z”), I believe users would be far more receptive. Transparency about goals and expected value makes it easier to align expectations and maintain trust.

Thanks again to the team for the thoughtful work and for remaining so engaged with the community. Looking forward to seeing DEVONthink continue to grow.

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