Quickly duplicate a Smart Group in the same location

Hi,

it looks like until migrating to macOS 12, I was able to quickly create a duplicate of a selected smart group using the keyboard shortcut Cmd-D (though this showed nowhere in DT’s menus).

While right-click > Duplicate To… > … still works, it’s tedious to browse the huge destination list menu to find the location where I already am.

Is there a new/different shortcut to copy/paste or duplicate a Smart Group to the same location where the source is (with " Copy" appended, like in earlier versions)?

Thanks, Christian

See Data > Duplicate. The shortcut is still the same, maybe it’s used by another app or service?

It’s available when a “real” data item is selected, but it’s greyed out when I have selected a Smart Group. But good to know that it should work, so I’ll investigate what the offending app/service might be. Thank you!

You can’t duplicate a global smart group via Command-D in the Navigate sidebar.

Thanks Bluefrog, but I don’t think it’s a global smart group. It’s a smart group within a database, and before the system upgrade, duplication vid Cmd-D did work (at least I’m almost 100% sure…).

I have checked all services (+associated kbd shortcuts), but none would take Cmd-D. Also, selecting a data item, Cmd-D is enabled, so it really seems to be an issue with Smart Groups. Hmmm.

The Navigate sidebar has some different behaviors than the item list, including a smaller set of commands available. This is true of all selections there, groups, local smart groups, databases, etc.

The Duplicate command isn’t available in the Data menu with a selection in the sidebar. Only the Duplicate To command is available for some items in the contextual menu.

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Thanks Bluefrog - that’s the bit I was missing. I must have had selected the smart group in the item list formerly - and there, it still works. :+1:

Why there would be a difference in interaction with the the exact same thing between the sidebar and the item list, that’s an UX issue to solve.

You’re welcome.

There is a difference in behavior as the Navigate sidebar is made for just that, navigation. That’s also why it doesn’t show files.

Development would have to assess a different behavior.

BUMP!

Has development assessed this further?

I petition for cmd-D to duplicate whatever is selected directly in place with a suffix “copy” as per behavior for most if not all things selected in the macOS Finder. The current approach to create a copy of a smart group (and perhaps anything else) directly in the same location requires too much effort in context menu sub-menu searching. Seems rather … counter productive … when the end result of tedious sub-menu searching is simply the object with the suffix “copy” on it anyway.


JJW

Isn’t that what Cmd-C, Cmd-V does already?

OK. Missed this one. But why not also cmd-D?


JJW

Hm. If I do Cmd-D with a smart group selected, I get a copy of that one in the same location. And I see Cmd-D as a shortcut for “Duplicate” in DT’s “Data” menu.

Are you sure that you don’t have that one, too? Perhaps another app that’s stealing it?

Nope. Not for me.


JJW

Indeed. Weird. I did it in the center pane:

So, maybe an inconsistency in the UI, @BLUEFROG?

Not considered an inconsistency.
The item list and Navigation pane have some overlap but the latter is intended for navigating, the former for things like duplication. There are more and some different operations that are only done in the item list.

Development would have to comment, if they wish. I just deliver the news.

I’ve removed my outbursts. Being known for being amusingly yet annoyingly quaint is not what I want to carry as a legacy.

I petition in full seriousness that keyboard options such as cmd-C, cmd-V, and cmd-D be allowed for objects in the navigation panel. The extra effort that must be used to accomplish what can be done in one or perhaps two keystrokes, especially with cmd-D, is … frustrating.


JJW

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No worries!
Development will surely see the new comments and can consider them at this point in time.