Sorter Screen Capture to include URL field (feature request)

Hello! The idea behind Sorter is great and it is useful to add files, notes and bookmarks to the library quickly. Yet, for me, the Screen Capture feature has limited use as it doesn’t include a URL field. More often than not, I’m taking screenshots from the web, and I need to preserve the source as part of it. So my feature request is to consider the addition of a URL field to this tab (the same way as it is already done for the Take Note tab):

I realise that everyone’s needs differ and someone may find this addition cluttering, while another can argue that if a URL field is being added, why not add other fields as well. I can only vouch for my workflow. But at some point in the future it would be epic if everyone could customise Sorter to fit their needs by selecting various fields and custom metadata.

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I just captured your post and it included the URL

To me, it looks like you saved a bookmark, not a screen capture?

The request is noted, with no promises.

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What’s the advantage of screenshots compared to other formats like PDF, Markdown, HTML, web archives or rich text?

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Hello, the question is rather surprising given that Sorter has a Screen Capture tab, which hints that DT realises the use cases for screenshots. It is good for web clipping. The idea behind web clipping is to extract only the information that you are interested in to store and use it effectively. So, here we are talking about why I would want to save a piece I am interested in versus saving the entire website/page/document/video, etc. But I will try to give a couple of examples:

– Imagine I am searching through many online stores looking for items that I or my friend may like. Each item usually has multiple photos, but you don’t need all of them to recall the item; you need just one that you like the most, the one on your screen right now. It is not enough to just download this image (which may not be possible or too complex to deal with, especially given that images on the web may be in .webp format, which has limited use outside of that), you also would like the price info and basic specs included next to the item on the same screenshot, which I would like to save to consider for purchase in the future.

– Another day, you scroll through a 400-page book/report online and see a scheme/structure that is of good use to you. If you go the PDF way, you will need either to save the entire report (which may not be downloadable and only available through a viewer).

– Taking a screenshot from a video on some online platform (which may also include a side note outside the player such as CC or user comments).

– And so on: specific dishes on menus, product comparisons, an inspirational design idea, certain bank terms, how-tos;

Why are other formats not suitable?

Dynamic formats (like HTML and Web Archive):

  • What you want to save may be deleted from the web, so you will also need to save all the assets (many files, a big size and they may still not work if they rely on JS);

  • Not convenient to look through nor share (and may not be accessible by another person due to a paywall or login area);

  • Not focused on a specific area (may require zooming-in or scrolling), blurring the idea of efficient data storing, not to mention that you will forget what you saved it for;

Static formats (other than screenshots):

  • We both know saving a webpage to PDF will result in rather disappointing results: on top of badly interpreted page layout and missed data, you will end up having human verification screens, overlays, full-screen cookie windows (and you will know all that only after you check what you have saved!). And as mentioned above, what you are interested in may not be available right on the page – sometimes you need to use a slider, expand some area manually, and so on. Web pages are often too complex to bluntly save them;

  • Size? The entire web page saved as PDF may take 5 – 30 mb (not convenient to store nor share);

  • And again, not focused on a specific area (may require zooming-in or scrolling), blurring the idea of efficient data storing, not to mention that you will forget what you saved it for;

Put another way, after you’ve invested the effort to identify and isolate the specific element you want to keep, you want to save it in its current state. You don’t want a format that requires you to re-engage that same focused thinking to find that spot again down the line. Ultimately, the goal is to preserve the outcome of your focused search, not the source material that necessitated it. Yet saving the source is useful for future reference.

Some other file-management apps have a built-in browser plugin that automatically preserves the page title and URL source as you take your screenshots. With Sorter, you need to do all that manually, but even then, there is no URL field to fill in upon saving. So, your workflow goes like this: take a screenshot → save it → open DT → spot it → add URL. My suggestion is to make it at least two steps more efficient: take a screenshot → add URL → save it.

All you do with a screenshot is capture pixels. No text, nothing you can zoom in without losing quality.

And this is why various formats exist. When you need searchable text and other rich features, such as zooming in, you choose one format; when you need convenience for future reference (especially when capturing non-text content), you choose another format. And webpages won’t let you zoom in infinitely either, unless images are in vector format. So my screenshot might already be at the maximum resolution possible. In this particular scenario, my screenshot may end up being of better quality than the dynamic page you saved, as I had already zoomed in or chosen the best layout before taking it. But this is drifting away from the original topic, which was a simple request to repeat the URL field (a property of any file in DT) in the Sorter for quick access.

And when you make screenshots, you don’t usually need the best resolution available. Still, this is why I need to preserve the URL: so that if one day I need a better resolution or more information, I can always revisit it.

I can’t help but notice that you reject using Dynamic formats because “what you want to save may be deleted from the web” yet you count on “I can always revisit it”. Maybe not.

I don’t disagree with your enhancement request to put a URL on a screen shot, but until that change made to DEVONthink, easy to do manually.

I store content in PDF’s and Markdown. For me, retaining the fancy formatting not really a priority. just me.

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The initial goal when taking screenshots is different. You may or may not need to revisit the link. Having the link (even if it is no longer accessible) can help you recall the source or enable you to use the web archive. I was only mentioning the revisit as an argument for the scenario described by @chrillek. To be more accurate, with a screenshot, you already have what you need (for a lifetime) plus an option to get more (when needed and if still available).

Yes, I do it manually by taking a screenshot with OS’s means, adding it to DT directly (skipping the Sorter) and adding URL. So technically until the URL field is present in the Sorter on the Screen Capture tab, this feature has little use for me (just me probably).