Strange issue with stubborn 'always open' group

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I have one group that is always open when I select a specific database. It is the top group.

In other words, when I open a typical DB, groups are all closed. When I open this DB, the top group is always open and its contained group is also open. So the top group is fully expanded.

I have tried closing and reopening the DB. I have tried closing all groups, then closing and re-opening. I tried rebuilding the DB. No luck.

There are a lot of contents in this group, so I always have to scroll down a good distance. Quite inconvenient.

Is there a keyboard shortcut I am missing?

Is there something else I can check?

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I get this a lot too. Not even the top group always. Nothing I tried worked. I found it happens a lot with workspaces which I use extensively and ‘updating’ them with the groups closed doesn’t change the behavior as I would have thought it would.

There used to be a short cut that opened every group and one that closed every group. I forget what it was and can’t find it again. I would love to know if it is still doable as it was very useful. Apart from dealing with this weird glitch.

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Expanding or closing a group while pressing the option modifier key expands or closes all child groups.

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Thank you. Unfortunately, it doesn’t ‘stick’ and next time you select the database, its back to the same issue.

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From what I’ve seen in internal Vera’s, this should be addressed on the next release. Thanks for your patience and understanding.

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As ever, we await Vera’s arrival with much anticipation. (Sorry!) :grinning:

Stephen

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Thank you very much for addressing this!

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Hahaha!

betas

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Thanks it isn’t working for me though. There are one or two things Bluefrog probably knows about already. “Move focus to Inspector” doesn’t work though move focus cmmnd option cntrl v does work.

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“Move focus to Inspector” doesn’t work

Hmm
 I’m not seeing an issue here.
What OS are you seeing this on?

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I use a work round which is control + tab now which cycles round the panes I need.

Just FYI the expand all groups shortcut pete31 suggested doesn’t work for me either and I have the same issue as sawxray with ‘workspaces’ which I use a lot.
I haven’t fully checked the behaviors on open and close the app. It is open nearly all the time with me now.
I am on Monterey 12.0.1 on a 16 inch intel 2019 MacBook Pro.

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Does using the left or right arrow key while holding the option modifier not work? It works over here.

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Sorry it does for child files. I created one to test it. I really want the behavior to open or close all groups at the top level. I don’t tend to nest groups. I tried that shortcut at the database level so to speak but it didn’t do anything.

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What happens if you

  • CMD + A to select all
  • OPT + left arrow

? This should collapse everything.

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That works.
Is that how it used to? If I remember I didn’t used to have to select all like that?

However that works for what I need, which is usually to close anything I have open before moving on as it were, so I can see where I am on the database. Thanks for your help. I might try some more child files and nest one layer deeper.

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Not sure but I think in DEVONthink 2 there was a menu item with shortcut for expanding/collapsing.

But normally DEVONthink should remember each group‘s state, I think. In at least one of my databases it doesn’t remember the state anymore and I too would like to know what to do.

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Yeah to get back to @sawxray 's point as you say. Some databases in some circumstances don’t remember their previous state and, it seems to me, go back to an earlier state, though I am not sure about that. It is quite hard to track really. Useful digression for me though and @BLUEFROG has picked up another obscure issue for me.
I have had one or two things that seem very specific to my own machine I have to say. I am always aware of user error and having shortcuts set up in other places that create conflict. I did try to check this one carefully though. One still misses things.

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There is a condition where groups in the item list are showing in an unexpected expanded or collapsed state when reselecting a group in the Navigate sidebar. This should be addressed in the next release.

And yes, there used to be a menu command for Expand All and Collapse All in DEVONthink 2. However, this became problematic in cases where a person may have thousands of groups and documents, even stalling DEVONthink 2 as it tried to resolve all those files in the item list.

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Thanks again for squaring this circle @BLUEFROG we did digress and it all takes some untangling with this powerful app. My expanded or closed groups aren’t holding when I close and open, or even when I use workspaces.
again FYI the 'Move focus to
" in the “Go” menu works for everything except ⌘ -⌄ - ⌃ - I

Thanks for the explanation of why ‘expand all’ was dropped, that helps a lot and makes total sense. I am approaching this one with a new nested groups strategy at ‘user level’ as it were. Thanks to @pete31 for pointing the way too. I am going to use more nesting, there is no problem with doing that given my heavy use of search to get to stuff.

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My pleasure. :slight_smile:

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