Woo Hoo! DTPO 3.0 (Beta)!

[darrylmy]

First off, I just want to say that so far I really like the update and appreciate all the work that went into it.

With that said, I just want to bring up what seems to be change in viewing options that changes my workflow (unless I am missing something and that certainly is possible).

In DTPO 2 I live in the 3 Pane view with the widescreen option. There doesn’t seem to be the 3 Pane view option in DTP 3. It basically looks like some of the functionality of the second column (displaying the folder structure) was basically merged into the the first column by now being able to drill down the folder structure in open databases.

However, what seems to be missing is the ability to select multiple folders and have all the files contained in the selected folders display in the third column. In DTPO 2 the 3 Pane view with widescreen enabled there was a nice segregation between open databases (column 1), just the folder structure (column 2), the files contained in each folder (column 3), and the selected document itself (column 4).

The functionality of being able to select multiple folders in column 2 and have all the enclosed files displayed in column 3 was great and I used it everyday.

Now, with widescreen enabled, column one has the folder structure (but multiple folders cannot be selected, column 2 has a mix of both folders and files when viewed as a list (which looks cluttered when expanded), and column 3 has the selected document itself.

Am I missing something? Was this design change intentional, or is it just missing currently from the beta?

[eboehnisch]

@rfog

The only difference between Server and Pro is the web server? I understand that from the Blog and other documentation, but not sure.

That’s correct. It’s meant for using in teams where not everyone needs to run DEVONthink on a Mac.

[eboehnisch]

@platyhsu

OK so I re-read the wording of the comparison page and realized that everything listed on that page is exclusive to Pro/Server editions. Also, those “premium” features are identified by a blue star on relevant menu items. Is my understanding right?

Yes, that’s correct.

That being said, I’d still suggest providing a clearer statement of differences between all three editions. Also, I feel a little strange that some features available in 2.0 Pro, e.g. Download Manager, are no longer available in its successor ( i.e. 3.0 Regular). Do we need to pay more to preserve certain features that we have paid for?

We didn’t want to make the Editions comparison page an endless list of features that are in all three editions. Therefore we just listed the differences.

And yes, we have rearranged the features so that some ended up in the new Pro edition.

[StephenL]

I know you aren’t going to please everyone… But that is a huge price increase for the web server capabilities that already exist in DT2. Even with the upgrade discount it is still $399. I don’t work on a team, but rely on the web server when I am at work with my windows computer. You just priced me out of that capability.

[rfog]

See also & Classify dramatically slow on changing from one document to next one and on move to (Ctrl-C). Sometimes order of two minutes when DT2 in same db is about one second… Is this known?

Same happens on right click, it takes about 30 or 60 seconds to open context menu on each item…

[rfog]

@rfog

See also & Classify dramatically slow on changing from one document to next one and on move to (Ctrl-C). Sometimes order of two minutes when DT2 in same db is about one second… Is this known?

Same happens on right click, it takes about 30 or 60 seconds to open context menu on each item…

Ok, I think I’ve found why this is so slow. Now “See also & Classify” looks in all open database, not the only where the inbox is… Nice to have but quite slow when you have more than 10 well populated databases… For me, that slow speed is a blocker.

[ThatGuy]

@StephenL

I know you aren’t going to please everyone… But that is a huge price increase for the web server capabilities that already exist in DT2. Even with the upgrade discount it is still $399. I don’t work on a team, but rely on the web server when I am at work with my windows computer. You just priced me out of that capability.

You. might want to see the separate thread on the web server

[platyhsu]

@eboehnisch

And yes, we have rearranged the features so that some ended up in the new Pro edition

I respect the decision; it’s your product after all. But I have to say that it’s a little disappointing for me as a previous user to have paid-for features taken away. Especially, the download manager is essential to my workflow in DEVONthink, but I will think twice before paying for a hefty premium to keep it available to me.

[Cletus_Waldman]

Can’t even begin to figure out upgrade price from 2 to 3. I can’t find a page with if you own DTPO 2, DTPO 3 will be X dollars.

I did download it, BUT when it opened it asked about server??? Not sure how to download just Pro 3. But I got nervous about the whole server thing. I closed and quickly deleted the app. I just wanted DTPO 3.

But after reading this thread, I know I can’t afford $399.00 as someone stated above for upgrade after discount. But I understand some can.

[StephenL]

The $399 upgrade is for Server version. Basically Pro plus the web server component that is part of DT 2.0.

The upgrade for going DT 2 Pro to DT 3 Pro is around $99.

[stanblues999]

CUSTOM METADATA IN COLUMNS??? KILEEEEEEER!!

About dang time. Excited

[emilio_n]

Congratullations!!
This is great news and version 3 looks incredible. Time to dive on the new features!
I just purchased the Pro Office version around 6 months ago and sadly I need to pay the upgrade for a few months but really happy to try your hard work!

[ThatGuy]

@Cletus_Waldman

I can’t find a page with if you own DTPO 2, DTPO 3 will be X dollars.

If you go to your account and your list of licences, click on the one for DT v2 and you’ll get a table giving you upgrade prices specifically for you (e.g. if you’re in education, you’ll see the relevant discounted price, if you bought after 1 Feb, you’ll see the 0 price and so on)

[cgrunenberg]

@meta

It doesn’t seem to pick up any of my sync settings from DEVONthink Pro 2. Any chance of a quick fix, maybe a way to migrate the settings via some command line magic? Since I have 5 databases shared across two machines and two mobile devices, setting it all up again from scratch would be a major pain.

If you’re not (!) going to use version 2 anymore, then you could move the folder ~/Library/Application Support/DEVONthink Pro 2/Cloudy to ~/Library/Application Support/DEVONthink 3.

In case of concurrent usage of both versions you could create an alias of the above folder and add it to DEVONthink 3’s app support folder.

But do not (!) copy the cloudy folder, this could create a mess.

[cgrunenberg]

@rfog

See also & Classify dramatically slow on changing from one document to next one and on move to (Ctrl-C). Sometimes order of two minutes when DT2 in same db is about one second… Is this known?

Same happens on right click, it takes about 30 or 60 seconds to open context menu on each item…

How large are the opened databases (number of words/items, see File > Database Properties)? In addition, is still enough memory free (see Apple’s Activity Monitor.app) or does virtual memory slow down things already?

[rfog]

@cgrunenberg

How large are the opened databases (number of words/items, see File > Database Properties)? In addition, is still enough memory free (see Apple’s Activity Monitor.app) or does virtual memory slow down things already?

I know it is a lot, but with DT2, each “See Also…” worked only on its own database. I (and I assume a lot of people with big or a lot of databases) will need to sort this problem or the program will become completely unusable.

When doing the operation, CPU goes about 99% and memory does not cross the border of the 15GB, when I have more free memory and no swap pressure. Take a look to the picture.

My stuff:
Inbox: 0 unique words, 0 total words, 2 items, 0 bytes
Bibliotecas Propias: 627971 unique words, 172366264 total words (max. 3315239, txt), 855 items, 1,4 GB (max. 58,8 MB, txt)
CF - Libros (Colecciones): 419610 unique words, 127456856 total words (max. 417311, epub), 1375 items, 808,5 MB (max. 16,3 MB, epub)
Charles Dickens: 757927 unique words, 33706356 total words (max. 676518, pdf), 114 items, 6,7 GB (max. 307 MB, pdf)
Ciencia Ficción: 3700577 unique words, 342525073 total words (max. 540237, pdf), 4789 items, 81,2 GB (max. 381,4 MB, pdf)
Correo: 419218 unique words, 54493080 total words (max. 3601828, eml), 28500 items, 5,2 GB (max. 41,4 MB, eml)
Investigación: 5452 unique words, 19007 total words (max. 3739, pdf), 54 items, 45,6 MB (max. 8,4 MB, png)
IyC - SCIAM: 4059252 unique words, 270635429 total words (max. 167865, pdf), 5834 items, 69,7 GB (max. 66,3 MB, pdf)
Jules Verne: 628402 unique words, 17226415 total words (max. 521469, pdf), 450 items, 30,6 GB (max. 640,2 MB, pdf)
Libros y Manuales: 579582 unique words, 30925996 total words (max. 839751, pdf), 630 items, 9,8 GB (max. 253 MB, pdf)
Pulp en Español: 563364 unique words, 44843058 total words (max. 458303, pdf), 1775 items, 3,7 GB (max. 63,3 MB, pdf)
Referencia: 1193646 unique words, 86314392 total words (max. 110354, pdf), 1954 items, 124,3 GB (max. 199,2 MB, pdf)
RFOG: 87417 unique words, 1482732 total words (max. 180760, doc), 3618 items, 1,9 GB (max. 568,2 MB, mp4)
Scrapbook: 184967 unique words, 6100774 total words (max. 559117, pdf), 3062 items, 5,4 GB (max. 121,2 MB, html)

[stevej]

@cgrunenberg

If you’re not (!) going to use version 2 anymore, then you could move the folder ~/Library/Application Support/DEVONthink Pro 2/Cloudy to ~/Library/Application Support/DEVONthink 3.

Christian, thx for all the work in this new version. Have jumped in full time. Which files/folders need to be deleted to remove all traces of DTO v2? Steve J

[cgrunenberg]

It’s indeed a lot of stuff, the amount of unique words in some of your databases is insane and the total word count exceeds 1 billion. Do the databases with more than 1 million unique words contain a lot of OCRed PDF documents?

[cgrunenberg]

@stevej

Which files/folders need to be deleted to remove all traces of DTO v2? Steve J

Removing the app, the app support folder (~/Library/Application Support/DEVONthink Pro 2/) and some caches (~/Library/Caches/com.devon-technologies.thinkpro2 and ~/Library/Caches/Metadata/DEVONthink Pro 2) should be sufficient.

[rfog]

@rfog

270635429

Yes, most of those are Indexed PDF. The thing is with DT2 works fine as it only do the operation for its own local DB.

Said that, if DT3 will work having all the stuff for each operation, then the option to have more than one database loses part of its sense, as does not matter what you have in what, it will be accounted. And opening and closing databases doesn’t seems optimally to me.

Perhaps best solution could be have one option to disable Global and go back to Local only, even if it is one do the hidden options… Or the ability to have more than one full and isolated DT3 session open…

I’m using DT because is not a OneNote (that is crap) or Evernote replacement, I’m using DT because it “correlates” all my stuff… Not having that option, the reason to use it decreases a lot.