while I like DTP very much as way to organize knowledge and documents I find the esthetics of the app not quite at the height of what we all are used to in MacOS. Have some of you been able to create a setup in DTP to have a more appealing aspect? Would you like to share your ideas or screenshots?
Aesthetics are a very subjective concept. What you find appealing, someone else may not.
Why not post an example of what you find appealing?
I don’t know about esthetics and apealing aspects
but we are not restricted to the DT editors/formats
I have word processing documents in Apple Pages format,
and spreadsheets in Apple Numbers format
These are rendered within Devonthink via Apple QuickLook
and DT makes it easy to edit using Pages/Numbers
I want to reinforce @DTLow’s point. i do same with even more Mac software than mentioned. you can use your “beautiful” writing tool in all likelihood and keep the document in Devonthink.
I would not do it with my Scrivener (my favourite writing tool) projects as they use MacOS “packages” and if indexed or imported to devonthink just makes everything all too complicated and does nothing useful anyway. i of course put the final written document into Devonthink.
it is a common misconception that to use devonthink one must do everything inside it. not at all the case and to do so completely misses the great power of Devonthink.
Thanks for your comments!
I understood that it is possible to write in an external editor such as iA Writer or Byword and save the changes in DTP, is that right? That would make things better for me.
Yes. Give it a try. Import a test file, then use the “Open With” command.
Once again, I am amazed by the speed (and quality) of reaction in this forum. Thanks, I’ll try this and post my experience.
This. And then use KeyboardMaestro to give it an easy to use shortcut
You use a KM macro for opening a file in its system default application?
⇧⌘O does that natively, doesn’t it?
I’m not sure I object to the industrial look of Devonthink. DT is reliable. I’ll take reliable over pretty any day.
I’m also not sure that packages in DT are so dangerous (here, hold my beer).
Best advice is not to use them but you might find you’ve already done so. I think Mind Node defaults to storing documents as packages, for example.
If DT were to think of sprucing up, being able to do things like tell a tag or group it should display as a mind map would be pretty cool.
Or, in a similar vein, tell a tag or group it should display as a corkboard. That would be fun, too.
The new version of Aeon Timeline has functionality somewhat like that. You create a mind map within an Aeon file and drag anything you want from your timeline to the new map and arrange it how you want.
Edits can be made anywhere an event appears.
Aeon also supports a narrative view, which is a little like a corkboard. While you can have as many independent mind maps as you want, there is only one narrative view. It’s still probably a useful thing. You get to arrange your events in a narrative order without disrupting the timeline view.
The prime directive for Devonthink, though, is keep the data safe. A frumpy old librarian in desperate need of a makeover wins any day over a pig puckered up with Paree’s finest lipstick.
No offense to fashion-forward pigs intended.
I use different apps for markdown files. From DEVONthink I use iAWriter which isn’t the default. But I must admit that I wasn’t aware that there was an option to go for the system default app… Used to map menu items to shortcuts
Great question. I was concerned with a writing setup as well. Here are my 2 cents:
DT UI can be overwhelming (which speaks to the power of that app!) but great news is that we have all the flexibility in the world to adopt it to our needs depending on the scenario we are in.
In my case, I did the following for the case when I want to work on the notes inside of DT**
- view as list + preview widescreen
- no inspectors (hidden)
- view > hide toolbar (this is the key in that setup)
- go > workspaces > save as “Beautiful writing environment” aka BWE:)
Now any time you need a BWE you have a shortcut or just go to go>workspaces>BWE
View > Fullscreen > Document will just show your document on a full screen.
** alternatively I can recommend to set-up a default markdown app for e.g. Typora [insert your fav editor] and use a split screen with DT on the left and Typora on the right.
P.S.: now i need to adapt your naming - I do love BWE a lot!
Like @BLUEFROG, I’m curious what @Michaell considers lacking in DT’s esthetics for writing. I work in Markdown, and I think DevonThink looks good, once you hide all the controls, which is easy to do—even easier thanks to @jooz’s tip. I had not considered that possible application for workspaces.
On the contrary, it keeps Scrivener projects close beside ancillary research files that you may prefer to be in DEVONthink. Plus, they can be synced in the variety of ways that DEVONthink allows you to sync - and manually, if you like, too (meaning when you want to sync them), which you can’t do with Dropbox or iCloud on its own.
I use Scrivener “package” projects in DEVONthink without problem.
Having said all that, one does have to jump through a few template hoops to get decent RTF files to write in, and the columnar widescreen list-view (the best it can manage on my big iMac), is severely lacking visually, in comparison to say, Keep It.
(Don’t get me on DTTG, though - editing RTFs on that on iOS is a no-no, again, quite unlike Keep It.)
DEVONthink is mainly useful for its centralised databases and its syncing mechanisms. Apart from text files (at a pinch), you open things in their default apps, just like in the Finder. You’re not supposed to think of DEVONthink as a Finder-enhancement, but that’s precisely what it is.
In the same way a moon orbiter is an enhanced family saloon, yes
Glad to hear another rebel has success with packages in Devonthink. I just treat them the same as documents and everything is fine.
Not really, no. The simile is inappropriate.
I’ve never had problems with Dropbox sync, though I can’t speak to iCloud.
I’ve got this bizarre fixation on privacy. I don’t sync much in the cloud in any form.
I use a thumbdrive and a local sync store.
I make weekly archives, too.
Yep. You are correct. And like with a lot of things involving computers, a lot of things can be made to happen. And there may be no problems (although I can think of a few risks e.g. sync conflicts). Fine. I just don’t feel the need to fix a problem that I don’t see.
Me: I keep Scrivener Projects (holding the writing and a repository of research files that hold supporting content for the writing and DEVONthink (holding the research files for the writing project plus other stuff that might appear when doing research, you know by searching, relating, etc. using DEVONthink’s tools) by doing one simple thing–They are in side-by-side MacOS Windows each taking of 1/2 the computer screen.
MacOS is the integration tool! That’s what it’s designed to be.
So yea, bring Scrivener Projects into DEVONthink. If useful to you and accomplishes something, go for it. It is surely possible and many find it’s a good idea. For me there is no real purpose given that MacOS does it for me.